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Matt Wyble is one of the leaders behind the scenes of Hearthstone esports. A man who has pursued serious sport himself at the highest levels (trialling for the Olympics in Modern Pentathlon), he’s been helping to guide the card game’s esports scene since its earliest days.

We had a chat at the Hearthstone World Championships in Amsterdam about his perspective on what sets the elite players apart, how the sport has evolved for those who pursue it, and what anyone chasing the dream should be doing to take their game to the highest level.

I recently interviewed Nate Nanzer, Blizzard’s Overwatch Commissioner for all things Overwatch League, for this story in the Australian Financial Review. Stories like that only use a handful of quotes from a lengthier discussion, so, with permission from AFR, I’m sharing the full transcript of the interview here for those eager to get every drop of info from Nanzer on what’s happening in Overwatch esports.